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Denny Lien

The link you give for the Reuben Awards slate isn't working for me -- I get an "error establishing database connection" page.

(If it matters, I'm using Firefox on a Windows 7 desktop.)

Mike Peterson

It's been spotty -- I couldn't get there early this morning, assumed they'd fixed it when I tried later. Cavna also has it all here:

Paul Berge

"Grammar" being a borrowing from the French and "Nazi" being a borrowing from the Germans, should we call them Getwinness ungebĂ­gendlĂ­ckers, or is that the sort of niggling puffery up with which none shall put?

Kip W

Ramirez: Yeah, letting people stay who've been here for years, since early childhood, sure is an invite for more people to have been here for years, since early childhood. That is certainly


For some reason, my ears were really burning today. Oh, and there's Mr. Partch on Line 2.

Paul Berge: +1

Kip W

Heh. I was thinking the -ul- tag meant underline. I mean, I meant to do that.

Sean Martin

Well, didnt make the ballot again this year.

And yeah, sometimes it really is just being told your work doesnt suck.

Craig L Wittler

Doesn't either Ramirez get nominated every year to make sure there's ONE conservative up for the award, no matter how crappy their collective work is?


"17th century people in 20th century haircuts"

Not to mention 20th century teeth.

Mark Jackson

The Ramirez absurdity actually echoes (anticipated?) a White House talking point. In response to an NPR but-DACA-doesn't-apply-to-recent-arrivals question the other day a spokesthing claimed that it was "disingenuous" to suggest "there is no link" between DACA and immigration, since the immigrant smugglers "tell people" DACA means you can get citizenship quickly if you get into the US.

I see at least "straw man" and "slippery slope" here.


There's a lot to be said for structure with both logic and grammar, though. I recall reading an article about a US school that was at the bottom of its state and decided to go back to teaching the basics of grammar (as opposed to a free expression approach to language), because they discovered that a large percentage of their students couldn't put together anything beyond a simple sentence. This got them up into the top of their state in a few years. Which doesn't surprise me... I learned early on in elementary school that if you know the answer but can't express it clearly and logically, you lose marks. And if you don't know the answer, but can express things clearly and logically, you can BS and get marks. The rules may be arbitrary, but that doesn't make them not important... not just grammar, but the whole picture, semantics and pragmatics, too. It's all a structure set up so that ideas from one person can be easily understood by another.

And, personally, I wouldn't have used "common sense" there. More often than not, when a person appeals to common sense now it's because they have no other leg to stand on. Not grammar, not logic, not even evidence. They're trying to bypass your brain and go straight to your gut so you'll repost their bile and spread the hate.

I also wouldn't put it just to rightwing knuckheads to abuse grammar and logic to attack... there's plenty of those attacks going both ways.

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