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08/11/2017

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Paul Berge

Hands hits the nail on the head concerning all that Walker (and Trump) are willing to give away to Foxxcon. Walker has promised that in addition to a good long tax holiday, Foxxcon won't have to worry about any pesky environmental regulations.
The proposed Foxxcon plant (almost literally in my own back yard), despite being only 10 miles from Lake Michigan, is in the Mississippi River watershed, but will need to use Lake Michigan water. That will require unanimous approval from all the state and provincial governments in the Great Lakes Compact -- out of Walker and Trump's control. That Compact only months ago approved diverting Lake Michigan water to Waukesha County in Wisconsin, so we'll see how receptive they are to a second waiver request already.

Mike Peterson

I wonder how much Wisconsin's environmental regulations exceed federal regs? I could see a lawsuit coming if Walker tries to override the feds or even if the feds try to cancel them.

And then, assuming everyone decides Lake Michigan water should be diverted, who builds that pipeline? That would certainly be a case where the money was not imaginary, and, if it's approved only for the FoxComm plant, it would be like sidewalks and sewerage -- a cost of development to be borne by the developer. Or maybe the target of yet another lawsuit.

What I can say with certainty is that companies hoping to locate in communities do not much like becoming parties to lawsuits.

mark johnson

Also speaking from the backyard of this proposal( Kenosha) , I am concerned with waiving environmental regulations not only for this specific project but for the next ones. Are we creating precedent that would be hard to live with?
There is a rush to move forward but the details need the light of day, of reasoned analysis. A recent report suggests a 25 year period for the State to break even, longer with less favorable conditions. If this does indeed make good economic sense, great.We all win. What we are afraid of though is being sacrificed to political ambition

Brent

I keep hearing on the news how it's Kim Jung Un that's the one that's not understanding things... that he comes from a culture of bluster and so doesn't get that the US might be serious. But that really underestimates him... I'm positive he completely understands, he's got a tolitarian government held up in part by the ongoing war with the US it presents to its people. And Trump is just so incredibly trollable (really, it's almost not fun as he just falls right over). It's not like the US can really do anything in response... Seoul is easily within reach of conventional artillery, and China has said if the US moves first, they'll side with North Korea.

It's really Trump that doesn't understand things... it's quite clear that he needs a lesson in pragmatics and speech actions. He, and the inner circle around him, don't seem to understand that statements by the POTUS are different. They can keep maintaining that they aren't... but all that does is erode the power of the POTUS. Eventually, people are just going to start going over the POTUS's head and deal with his underlings directly to save time and frustration.

Mike Peterson

Not sure we're far apart -- Kim is working within his culture. I think he's nuts, but not in the sense of incompetence. Not "25th Amendment nuts." But I do think he and Ahmadinijad, for instance, say things more for domestic consumption than for global audiences, and that it's like stepping in on a domestic squabble -- you don't get it and need to MYOB.

As for Trump, he's not teachable. Unfortunately, I'm not sure he's "25th Amendment nuts" either. But I do think people are already working with others to get around him. On the other hand, his incompetence is doing serious damage to our institutions -- I linked to this the other day but it's scary as hell -- https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/07/department-of-energy-risks-michael-lewis

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