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Mark Jackson

Bloom's Taxonomy isn't meant to be read - it's to be painted on the floor and surrounded by candles.

Then the goat is sacrificed.

Sherwood Harrington

JACKSON. That was never, ever to have seen the light of day.

WVFran

More nonfiction in education. I know this is not the meaning of this Common Core Standards issue, but it has an odd sound to it. I can hear it now: "I told you they been teaching our kids fiction in science class!" *Sigh*

That said, the only social studies I remember was told in stories. Is that a sign of later reading failure, of storytelling effectiveness? my poor memory?

Or perhaps I'm neglecting the truly well written histories that I've only read as an adult.

Mary in Ohio

I majired in Engkish in college, and taught all the "Language Arts" subjects in grades 5-6 for 31 years. And I STILL do not see the point of DIAGRAMMING sentences, much less this. Or of Bloom's Taxidermy.

Mary in Ohio

Well, obviously I didn't "majir" in typing at ANY stage of my career!

phred

One of the best teachers I ever knew approached his topic (college physics) from the viewpoint of "it's my job to explain this so that you can understand it." It also helped that he loved physics and loved teaching and learning. On the other end of the scale was my high school math teacher, who, when several students suggested that leaving us in the hands of a less-than-stellar teaching intern for two weeks, replied "the subject isn't so difficult that you can't figure it out for yourselves." (My schools got a lot of interns, ranging from good to really, really awful. That's what happens when you live in a university town.)

As for diagramming sentences, I never understood the point, either. I asked my wife, who has a master's degree in English, who replied that it might help some people understand sentences better. She never found it useful herself. Did anyone?

Sherwood Harrington

@phred: I never found it useful for anything, but I remember thinking that it was fun. *shrug*

Mike Peterson

I would put diagramming sentences in with map reading, not in the sense of being essential but in the sense of being useful and logical. That is, it's useful for studying the structure of a sentence, so that you understand what modifies which and can see why a verb needs to be singular or plural. And, unlike a graphic organizer, it's not conceptual, it's very specific and objective.

But it's not essential because I'm not sure anyone who is really going to understand sentence structure would absolutely need it. That is, it's handy for helping someone understand, but only if they've got a clue to start with. I wouldn't bother beating anyone over the head with it -- if they don't get it, try something else.

Besides, unlike knowing how to read a map, it has really limited applicability. Once you've learned the trick, you internalize the information and move on. We learned it in eighth grade and left it in eighth grade.

On another topic, I note that the NPR report says that high school seniors should be reading 30 percent fiction and 70 percent non-fiction. I think I probably was, given that I had one English course and four other courses. But the idea of reading a couple of speeches from a Shakespeare play instead of the whole play is silly -- context is everything in those speeches.

I have no problem teaching the structure of the Letter from Birmingham Jail or the Gettysburg Address or some speech of Pericles, but then have kids take a rhetoric course. Don't rob literature for it. It's not the same subject.

And maybe the kids should read "Uncle Tom's Cabin" for a social studies course, because it is interesting, important and a good read -- but it's not a particularly good piece of literature as literature. They shouldn't skip Austen or Longfellow in order to read Harriet Beecher Stowe.

Dann

My frequent misspellings aside, I consider my eighth grade grammar / sentence diagramming course to be crucial to my ability to write.

The other course was advanced composition as that teacher really pushed us to write on a variety of topics to stretch our creativity.

Most of the normal people that I meet that write poorly had little exposure to those topics.

Regards,
Dann

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